tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19445595.post3146862257336808758..comments2023-10-25T07:17:04.839-07:00Comments on Pirate Papa: A Journal of Anarcho-Green D(o).I(t).Y(ourself). Parenting: The Taliban is Alive and Well in Ohioskyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04060344690179547080noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19445595.post-91598975588678011352010-07-25T15:55:26.930-07:002010-07-25T15:55:26.930-07:00I think if you really understood and believed that...I think if you really understood and believed that it's her body, you wouldn't find this murky at all. It's not "it's her body plus." Her body. Period.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19445595.post-86308958282157396882007-10-25T18:42:00.000-07:002007-10-25T18:42:00.000-07:00I was thinking about your musings, and I thank you...I was thinking about your musings, and I thank you for your openness and honesty on this rather raw subject. I noticed you said you've experienced abortion 3 times (with you as the "seed" each time), wow, that's a lot...and it makes me think about how totally "judged" a woman would be if she publicly said she had three abortions, you know...? ...and while I think judgment of that sort is horrible, I guess I'll just digress and say it makes me think that we have bigger fish to fry than "decision input"...I feel like the real issue here is decent birth control for all of us... bless you, thanks for reminding us that "men have [a huge role in] abortions too"--regardless of whether or not they had decision-input! Wow. Thanks...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19445595.post-17049803065749144642007-10-25T17:59:00.000-07:002007-10-25T17:59:00.000-07:00ahhh, what's this about "if he agrees to support t...ahhh, what's this about "if he agrees to support the mother until birth or until she's done nursing" line about?<BR/><BR/>WHAT like the kid's gonna be able to support itself after that point?<BR/><BR/>Or that from post-nursing on Dad's not responsible??<BR/><BR/>hmm??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19445595.post-48080910165356796582007-08-14T21:58:00.000-07:002007-08-14T21:58:00.000-07:00If the guy wants to have any say in the matter, th...If the guy wants to have any say in the matter, then he ought to get it IN WRITING *BEFORE* he has sex with the woman. No contract, no say in abortion decision.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19445595.post-58842485532974493272007-08-10T20:54:00.000-07:002007-08-10T20:54:00.000-07:00i think what needs to be clarified here, with your...i think what needs to be clarified here, with your opinions pirate papa, is what sort of relationship your frustration is stemming from. if it's a supportive, loving, consensual, and communicative relationship then yes, i understand where you are coming from. <BR/><BR/>on the other hand, the anonymous poster makes the relevant point that not all relationships are so peechy keen and some acts of abortion are kept from the father for reasons of safety to both the mother and potential child. <BR/><BR/>both points are valid in a certain context. i would hope an agreement exists that it shouldn't be any of the state's business to decide in either setup.<BR/><BR/>-s<BR/><BR/>www.livejournal.com/users/papacanflyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19445595.post-13226051566518489082007-08-10T15:02:00.000-07:002007-08-10T15:02:00.000-07:00Okay. I really dislike it when people use titles o...Okay. I really dislike it when people use titles or jobs to "validate" their comments or beliefs, but I need to point out 2 "roles" I have played in my life. One, I have worked in an abortion clinic. Two, I have worked for many years as an advocate for survivors of domestic abuse. <BR/>That said, let me comment on role #1. I worked in a clinic, albeit for a short time. I do not think of myself AT ALL as an expert on the topic of abortion. Basically, the experience left me with some overwhelming emotions however. As a feminist, and anarchist, i could only be pro-choice. However, I was left with a very very bad taste in my mouth regarind the "abortion industry." I am compeletely pro-choice, and have had an abortion myself. It is however, the saddest thing i have ever done. Working at the clinic was overwhelmingly sad- not just because of the nature of what is happening, and the myriad of sad reasons why it is happening, but also becuase of the callousness of the staff and the "pro-choicers" I worked with treating abortion as an industry and SOLEY an issue of women's rights and feminism... and not a complex, heavy issue that causes upheaval and hardship in peoples already hard lives. <BR/>i say all of this to say that while i am pro-choice, i am also deeply saddened by abortion being a reality in so many of our lives. not as a judgement call, but as a deep calamity of humanity. thus, i am keenly sensative to all the emotions of all the parents out there.<BR/>but in role #2- working with survivors of domestic abuse for so, so long as i have- i have to say, no, no no, this is a womans right to choose. not only because it is her body, not only because it is her privacy, but first and foremost because MOST women facing this hard choice may be in danger from their relationships. i know this is hard to wrap our brains around, about how absolutely devastating and rampent domestic abuse is, but let me site all the statistics that we probably already know. 1 in 4 women will be abused by a partner in their lives. More than half of all divorces in the US cite dometic abuse as the reason for the seperation. the leading cause of injury to pregnant women is domestic abuse. domestic abuse dramtically increases in severity and frequency (and often starts) when a woman is pregnant.<BR/>what i would say is that we CAN NOT force women to tell their partners about an abortion, let alone make them tell their partners that they are even pregnant, because for many, many women it is a risk to their own safety (not to mention that of the unborn child) to do so. <BR/>to a lot of people this may sound like a rare circumstances, but in the 6.5 years that i have worked as a counselor, i have seen over 20,000 women in the county where i work. that is just me, not even including my co-worker who has her own case load. our numbers show that nearly 65% of those women have children, 52% with their abuser. Think then of how many of these women I work with would need to consider abortion if they got pregnant... Thats a lot of women- and children- to put in serious danger if we make them go to mediation with their partners.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com